My suggestion would be use the Amnesia for a butt section 12-24 inches, then tie on 40 feet or more of mono is 2, 4, 6, pound whatever you prefer. Just my humble opinion, I don’t fish dries enough for it to be scientific. a fly line; some 20 lb. Yup. I like Howard’s videos a lot. Even if you lose a full inch with every leader change, who cares? Wet the knot before you snug it up, and it will hold. Fair point on the Davy. I fish for wild brown trout in the cool limestone waters of Central Pennsylvania year round. A clinch knot has the same look as a blood knot. No matter how well it’s tied, any perfection loop in a leader still has that blunt end, waiting to bang into one of your rod guides as you strip line through. It works perfectly fine, but I prefer instead to tie my own fly line loops with a fly tying bobbin and thread. Some flatwater dry fly fishing requires about 50 feet for me, but that’s it. When I fish a Harvey dry leader, that’s shorter, and the whole thing is out of the guides and often on the water. Pointing out the shortfalls of loop to loop connections had some merit but missed one vital point, knot strength. It doesn’t catch in the guides much for me either. google_ui_features = "rc:0"; You SHOULD be connected to the fly line core because that’s the strength of the fly line. I’m also not a big fan of welded loops and cut them off, I just don’t trust them. Lay both in water for 2 hours. Friends. Anyway, I just don’t think it matters. And I know George Daniel talks about doing it, but casting a dry fly leader on a Euro line is less than ideal, too, so the mono rig versatility there is a win. Loose a little bit of sag from the fly line due to the shorter leader style (16′ total for nymphs), but I got to tell you man, most of the times even at 16′ I only have a foot of fly line out, and the times I do have to do longer casts I just deal with the sag as best as possible. I can think of one exception to use the loop to loop. But I should mention that I purposely design my leaders to keep any fly line connection out of the guides. Loop to loop is good there. I like Domenick’s idea, and agree it’s better than loop to loop, but I’m probably too old to change on this one. Got me thinking about how to test. That wild trout of a lifetime decides to take one last joyride. Can this be used for backing to fly line? You can find my favorite gear on the Recommended Gear page, here: https://troutbitten.com/recommended-gear/, Have you ever tried the whipped micro loop? If so how does it affect casing with the additional wight the thread and UV materials create. //-->. Sleek and never hung in the guides. That’s me. I still have the loop to loop but solved this problem via your suggestion of a longer butt section when throwing streamers. 2. I suppose not, but it’s inefficient, and it makes me irritable. I am using this: flyline with loop + I change leaders with clinch knot on this line (tappered mono 9’ for dries, furled tappered leaders, 30’ tapered camoufil French nymph leaders, mono with indicator), but the loop seems to be cut with the leaders and they are attached almost only to the inner core of the loop. I use 1.5 mm or 2 mm rings. George, quit complaining and wrestle your father! Now, of course, my butt to fly line connection is kind of irrelevant since I use about 30′ of mono. After the nymph falls into position, we want it to spend some time there. I also got a lecture large fish knots versus small fish knots. I couldn’t care less about slick coating or textures that help me shoot 80 feet, because I’m not a saltwater fisherman, and I don’t shoot 80 feet. If you fish as much as I do though, eventually they get worn out and need to be replaced. Ahhh. I don’t try to cover all of that here. We will not spam you or sell your name. I’m free. google_color_bg = "F5F5DC"; Pull the line and the leader away from each other, until the loops slide together to form what looks like a square knot. Worst thing ever. Hand tied fly line loop with a loop to loop connection. It’s a short but punchy list. Check if they float. But I still think for dry flies, the ring might cause it to sink, and on casting another bend point which transfers less momentum. Right now, you just need to know how to attach your fly (fisherman's knot), how to connect two pieces of monofilament so you can add a tippet section to the end of your leader (blood knot), and how to tie a tube nail knot to attach a leader to your fly line in the event your fly line does not have a looped end. For what it’s worth, I think loop to loop is great in those situations. tighten  up. Keeping flies and tippets as one in a ziplok bag is a small price to pay for the on-the-water convenience…. In the process, you’ll learn the double surgeon’s knot, the clinch knot, and a mid-leader slip loop. You SHOULD be connected to the fly line core because that’s the strength of the fly line. google_ad_height = 60; Thanks JC. Lay both in water. This results in the fish detecting the artificial nature of the fly and catching fish is very difficult. He has a good channel. And when the slim loops appeared in the fly line, I ditched the nail knot and the extra lead piece of Chameleon and the tippet ring. These leaders can easily be constructed by taking a 3-4’ piece of 40 lb. Treat it like the eye of a fly and tie it in. The free fall and the drift are a successful pair. google_color_text = "000000"; Slip one loop over the other loop. Do not be worried about that. And you don’t need more than three or four turns. . Attaching Fly Line To Leader (10 of 15) There's a real easy way to put your leader on your fly line and you don't even have to tie any knots. Sorting through the wildly contradictory information out there has been a challenge. The use of a small hollow tube (coffee stirrer sticks can work) instead of a nail is effective. Many fly lines now come with pre-made loops on their ends. There has been some great discussion on here recently. Your email address will not be published. . What do you think? And when you pry the loops apart to change out (which can take some time by itself) you must run the full length of leader through the fly line again. — SC. Now it’s needle knot. I use it for swinging big flies for steelies. The fork in the road for most folks is whether they want to handle mono or Euro style fly line. You pushed the needle into your fly line tip and had a metal loop that you could clinch knot the leader to. You can find that method here: READ: Troutbitten | Get me back to my fly line — Connecting and disconnecting the Mono Rig. But if we constantly set at the end of the fall, the nymph never has the chance to drift, and the trout don’t get an opportunity to eat on anything but the drop. Great topic for a cold, snowy winter night here in upstate NY. The resulting loop is not much bigger than the eye of a big hook, but there’s plenty of room to tie on a length of Maxima Chameleon. Chameleon. google_ad_client = "pub-2778178077097097"; or am I overthinking this? . Buddy Ted was up and hooked a large tarpon on my 12 weight rod. Step1 - Overlap the fly line and backing line by around 12 inches. Anyway . But, I don’t usually have any fly line in the guides with a mono rig. Showing how to tie a simple knot for attaching the fly line to the backing line. Attach one last time. No knot at all, and the slimmest profile possible. I’m a problem solver at heart. The perfection loop is an incredibly useful knot because it allows you to quickly add a new leader to the loop at the end of a fly line. The last step is to tie a perfection loop in each end of the leader for attachment to the fly line and wire tippet (see below), respectively. The reigning competition champ seems to vouch for it … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZCBt7wkGfA. Ha! Leave an extra 10 – 12” of its tag end to tie the Knot. This causes the fly line to pinch against itself. Since I use knotless leaders mostly, the Whitlock splice is my preferred method. It is a simple process, easily demonstrated here. Thinking about using your suggestion on my spey and skagit lines, the loop to loop connection between the shooting head and Mow tips are particularly gnarly. Thanks. Hey Dom, thanks for the reply. I’d get a little sweaty with that clich/factor loop connection flying in and out of the guides on a big fish on a heavy Western river, where 35-40 feet of line can dissapear out the guides in a flash, but that’s admittedly not the norm in most situations. https://troutbitten.com/2020/09/17/part-two-what-youre-missing-by-following-fips-competition-rules-leader-restrictions/. Use saliva to moisten the loop. I hate when knots catch in the guides of a rod. is a very big deal . No, I tippet ring won’t sink the leader. Yes. As you said — micro. from reel to backing line; backing line to fly line; fly line to fly leader; fly leader to fly, with the addition of a dropper to attach a second fly. But if you’re having success on a tight line for a few seasons now, you’re probably already incorporating some of this without knowing it. Just Pass the loop of the leader through the fly line loop. Hi Dom, noob question: I’ve read your post on being able to change back quickly to a typical fly line and leader set up, but if I’m going all in on the mono rig, do I need a fly line? It is a simple process, easily demonstrated here. My beef with the loop to loop is leader to fly line when it’s in the guides. I’m sure you’ll think of something. In fact, if you’re swapping out a leader much longer than about ten or twelve feet, it’s a pain to bring the full length of the leader through the small fly line loop to attach the new leader. Works on both light and heavy mono and fluorocarbon lines. Pull each side slowly to tighten the knot evenly. But remember, this is Troutbitten and not Tarponbitten. Direct contact with the fly lends us ultimate control over every variable. It’s not enough for something to be quick. Fly Fishing Knots No. There braided loops for floating and sinking lines. I’m a Uni knot man too, in Britain we call it a grinner knot. Ahhh…. I’ve tried the mono line system using 20 lb amnesia. Bring the fly line tip through the leader loop so it crosses over itself, and then under the leader loop. The super glue splice is indeed a great solution if you have no plans to change the leader. So for non-comp applications, this is (for me) the perfect connection that also provides me the freedom for quick leader changes. The slim profile is exactly why this method works. Since 2014 and 600 articles deep Troutbitten is a free resource for all anglers Your support is greatly appreciated. . After that, it’s all about durability. This video is the best one I've found to explain how to tie a loop into your flyline.. After that, you pass your leader's loop over your fly line's loop, then pull your leader's tag-end through the loop of the flyline and pull it tight, making a 'handshake connection' In the tag end of the backing I fashion an end loop large enough to pass the reel or spool through. From the fly line I used ten inches of Chameleon as a lead to a 1.5 mm tippet ring. A loop to loop connection is often used to join a perfection loop in the fly line with another in the leader. So what is your current setup? The diagram below shows the main connecting knots in fly fishing, i.e. We offer these as a useful accessory to add to your Barrio fly line. Make an overhand knot with your leader line and leave 4 inches (10 cm) of the leader line on the side that's going into the lure. We are not fishing for 100 pound fish. Thanks for getting my curiosity churning. Thank you. Pass the loop on the line through the loop on the leader. . Thanks. It’s just wraps around the line with no added bulk to create any hard angles or hang in the guides. 5 - The Perfection Loop. Now, grab the butt section & fly line, along with the nail or tube or the tool you are using with your fingers. OF course this is just my opinion, and I change my mind about leaders every two weeks it seems, but this is my groove for now. In this article, we will show you how to connect a braided loop to your fly mainline correctly. Book now to join me in 2020. New braided loop, with plastic retaining tube, showing frayed end where fly line is to be inserted. Less, on sale. How do I attach my leader to the fly line? https://www.fishing.org/knots/world-fair-knot. Pinch down and hold this loop with your left thumb and forefinger next to the tube and fly line.Use your right hand to grasp the short leg of the leader loop and make 5 snug wraps over the tube and fly line. A good drift should follow the drop. The loop can be formed by means of a simple six-turn surgeon’s loop. On the long leaders, like a Mono Rig, it takes a lot of leader changes for that to make a difference. I didn’t tell anyone for fear that I’d be labeled as some kind of fly fishing malcontent. Your leader's got a loop in it, your fly line's got a loop in it. A simple clinch knot is all that’s needed to attach the leader to a fly line loop. The diagram below shows the main connecting knots in fly fishing, i.e. Also, tying a nail knot requires its own set of contortions, and even if you can tie a clean one on the river, it wastes a lot more leader material when tied. . Cut off two lengths of line from the back of an old wf line. Cut off the tag end of the fly line. Mending is a bit of a lost art in fly fishing, and I meet fewer and fewer people with much skill for it. While fishing for Tarpon, I suspect that neither of those troubles apply. That’s a very good way to do it. Don’t “improve” the clinch knot with that final move back through the loop either — it’s unnecessary and adds bulk. Try a Uni-Knot. I agree with you Richard. Definitely agree with the loop annoyance! In the heavy diameter of a butt section, a few wraps is all that’s required. It took me a while to buy in to the welded loops. How to tie the Albright knot: Hold the end of the fly line in your left hand and fold it over, forming a loop with about 6 inches of tag. from reel to backing line; backing line to fly line; fly line to fly leader; fly leader to fly, with the addition of a dropper to attach a second fly. Fly Casting, Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig. Lay a nail or hollow tube against the end of a fly line. Fly Fishing Knots No. Tie a loop knot so you don't constrain the lure or hook. Usually, people tie a leader to fly line with a loop. Step 7 Carefully draw the knot together so that the turns of the knot are touching. But no, I was inhibited by conventional foolishness disguised as wisdom. The clean braid gives you some idea of the amount of water it will hold, compared to a welded loop or leader link. These days, the welded loops have gotten so good and so slim that I trust them. Ways to Attach a Leader to a Fly Line. Cut it very short. About a decade ago, the trend started with high end lines, and it filtered down to the rest. I cut off the welded loop and do your 12” section of leader butt with tippet ring. I’ve tried the Davy there but I don’t care for it. I have been using the clinch knot to connect for years mostly because that was the one knot I was conformable with coming from the spinning world. and use the Loop to Loop knot to join the two lines. Next, cover the butt section surrounding the leader, the tool and the fly line as a whole. 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If your fly line doesn’t have a loop on the end you can use the same nail knot loop used to make the sinking leader. I don’t why so many people recommend four or 5 turns when 2 or 3 turns has never let me down even on fine tippet material. The best way to attach the leader is using a loop to loop connection. Anyway, durability is also a factor for me. It’s a good thing. ban the loop to loop. Wrong. Note: You Must Have Latest Adobe Flash Player for the And it’s certainly more accessible to most anglers than tying a nail knot. 3. Those are my thoughts on the subject anyway. Albright Knot – Backing to fly line. But, in such cases, the leader and fly line are likely to move a lot while fly fishing. Please respect that. I just finished a series of test knots using old fly line and 25 lb. Have you tried a three turn Uni-Knot? With line off the water, it’s the rod tip that charts the course, the actions and all the movements of the streamer. As you mentioned the loop to loop knot fails miserable with dries even for bass and panfish. Probably the most seldom used method for attaching a leader is also the simplest. that extra turn makes the knot less barrel-like, and it hangs up a little more. I have zero issues just clinch knotting to the loop. How to Tie the Loop-Loop Connection 1. Insert the loop in the fly line through the loop in the leader. The Point of the Loop. monofilament via a blood knot. The Lift and Lead is a cornerstone concept for advanced tight line nymphing skills. loop, The World's Number 1 Fly Fishing The perfection loop is an incredibly useful knot because it allows you to quickly add a new leader to the loop at the end of a fly line. But the line always cracked right at the end of the little needle due to the hinging there. Alright, here’s my Costanza’s Festivus — Airing of Grievances against loop to loop connections. Irrespective of the fly line choice you want to be sure you have properly joined the backing, fly line and leader components. I did the test outlined above, with a RioTrout LT. After 2 days in water there was no difference. I’m careful how I tie the knot, though. Nice. If I was under that restriction and had to deal with that junction all the time, then I might go with the DIY micro loop as well. The Albright Knot. monofilament and combining it with a 1-2’ piece of 30 lb. … How to use a sink tip leader while fly fishing. It has to work right too. If you’re following along mentally here, you’ve likely realized that every leader change will shorten the butt section. No problem at all. Roman Moser Minicon Leader Loops are a great way to connect your leader to your fly line if you are not confident with your knots. Don’t “improve” the clinch knot with that final move back through the loop either — it’s unnecessary and adds bulk. That’s why my Mono Rig is so long — because I like slinging streamers across the river to the opposite bank without anything but the butt section of my leader in the guides. George Daniel’s book Dynamic Nymphing Purchase here to support Troutbitten. Learning to connect your leader loop to your fly line correctly will save you time and frustration when you are out on the water. Years ago I was tarpon fishing with Florida guide Jake Jordan. 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